T: What amount, excuse me if it's an intimate question, is there a dream, or mind drifting in all this universe we are observing at this moment?

N: The truth is I cannot tell if I´m dreaming or if I´m awake

T: You can´t discern between dream and reality. Because for you the one and the other are practically the same. Stepping into another ground. Here we see characters, but is there a physical world as well? Is there a place where all those characters float, walk, go in and out?

N: Yes. There´s a world symbolized by this immense creature called Mustie. Inside Mustie there are many characters and outside is the intergalactic space.

T: There are characters that can be in a physical world, where they can walk, but they can be floating as well in space. Tell us about the reality of those characters. What do they mean, what kind of relationship is there among them, what of love and what of hate do you represent them, which ones make you scared.

N: None of them is scary. But some show more aggressivity or they are naughtier than the rest, but they´re not scary. They all have their own energy. Each one represents something, and although being the same symbol, it depends on how I do it, shows to have a type of strength or another. For example, I represent Mustie many times and in many ways. They play among them and they go through metamorphose and some times, they are the elongation of other characters.

T: This one above, that seems to have been absorbed a smaller one, is this a Mustie?

N: Not quite. That bigger over there is a Mustie and his brother is this one here. Yes, they are family.

T: How do your creatures reproduce themselves? How do you reproduce them?

N: Spontaneously, I haven´t got any system. Line after line, but I don´t follow any direction or any pattern.

T: Well then, you do live with your characters. You get along with them fine. Those characters go with you outside this exhibition environment, when you walk the streets? N: There are always with me

T: When you bike when you talk to your friends.

N: They are around in my motion.

T: May I know what kind of conversations do you have with them referring to third parties? Do you confide in them? Do they gossip?

N: They relate to each other and it depends on how is their relationship in space, they suggest one action or another. They also relate to people I know in real life. 

T: So, your ghosts are also portraited here?

N: Well, I suppose you could say that.

T: Saying ghosts, I don´t mean characters with chains and bed sheets. That kind of ghosts we can easily find walking the streets, and they are quite different from those we can see here. Well, I´ll suggest we´ll move to see another fragment of your universe.

T: We enter another point of view. We can affirm, before asking the artist, that we are dealing here with another creative aspect. We´ve seen Nina´s work and we´ve seen a negative dimension. I don´t mean negative in a negative way, but in the way, we see colors and shapes. We are stepping in a field where positive wins over negative. We see a fragment of Mustie which we could name as big characters container. Inside, there are great amounts of characters. Are we witnessing the moment prior to a huge child birth, or those characters dwell here naturally?

N: Those live there naturally.

T: Will they stay inside big Mustie? Will they remain there or they´ll go in and out?

N: In and out. The shape remains open.

T: Further we can see a character that presides a procession of tiny ones following a direction. What´s happening in this side of Nina´s cosmos?

N: They flow

T: They´re outside. Do they flow towards a direction? The same direction?

N: No, they flow in different directions

T: I can see some Musties. Have Mustis a higher rank than the rest of characters?

N: No. Mustie was the first character I gave strength to isolate him from the laberynth. Having the character such a visual strength, being so simple, I wanted to give him more protagonism. Mustie means another level in my work. He belongs to another stage. I´m completing stages. Mustie reminds me of the very first moment when I isolated a personality and gave him relevance.

T: I extracted Mustie from the laberynths. You just said a sentence that intrigues me. I extracted Mustie from the laberynths. What are those laberynths?

N: I began to create mazes. Do you see that bit of big Mustie, where the characters are all compressed? I began to like that. Setting line after line and in this manner, I constructed a maze composed of all kind of characters and Mustie was the first one to stand out.

T: You isolated a character within the maze. Really, we are coming in a symbolic world where Nina develops her creative process. Basically, I should say, a very 

important part of her creative process. I would like to ask you, talking about symbolism, the mazes, and its construction. A maze where you have to step in. Who follows your line of work knows that strolling around your mazes means meeting your characters, which delimitate its alleys and it's difficult to stop because if you intend to reverse, you´d better let some marks to undo the way hoping that Mustie and his brothers hadn´t eaten the marks. The question is: Musties will go all the way through your creative process?

N: Yes, they´re part of me. Perhaps I will not represent Musties in every work I´ll do, but as they´re part of the same world as his brothers, Musti will always be there and likewise are all the characters I´ve already created.

T: What is there of Mustie in yourself?

N: The will of flying, the smile, the happiness he portraits.

T: At this moment, are you more Mustie than Nina or the other way around?

N: I consider myself likewise. This is how it is: Mustie is Nina and Nina is Mustie.

T: Well, dear friends, this is the reality in a real stage. Real and unreal mingle so tightly that is difficult to tell one from the other. This is one of the purposes of Nina´s creative work, in this tremendous moment of labor. And this is my point of view. I would like the public to pay attention in a relaxed mood to experiment what happens if they fall asleep under this installation. An extraordinary experience we´ve had while talking to Nina has been that we cannot tell if we are in fact under or above her work or if we´re looking at it from up or below. There are times when we don´t know where we stand and that, I imagine, meets Nina´s purpose. When the point of view doesn´t matter and what is really important is not what we see, but what we feel, our emotions, or even what makes us laugh. Because we have here a good amount of humor.

N: Yes

T: This is a unique experience, I can't choose how to qualify it. Watching the sunset in the desert or watching the crack of dawn in a remote valley. Anyway, they´re pleasurable sensations that relax the conscience and invite to think about things we could have never guessed that we would end up thinking. Thanks, Nina.

N: Thank you, Toni

T: Ahhh.let´s observe silently, for a little while.